{"id":167,"date":"2019-10-21T09:00:00","date_gmt":"2019-10-21T09:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/coyotebroad.com\/blawg\/2019\/10\/21\/forgiving-shelly-winters\/"},"modified":"2019-10-21T09:00:00","modified_gmt":"2019-10-21T09:00:00","slug":"forgiving-shelly-winters","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/coyotebroad.com\/blawg\/2019\/10\/21\/forgiving-shelly-winters\/","title":{"rendered":"Forgiving Shelly Winters"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I watched way, way too much TV when I was growing up. And one of the shows I watched way too much of was <i>Donahue<\/i>. Why a pre-teen girl would watch <i>Donahue<\/i>, who knows&#8230; his shows weren&#8217;t salacious like day-time talk shows today &#8211; even Oprah at times went down the ratings-sweeps road that Donahue avoided (I&#8217;m still mad about your amplification of the anti-vaccine movement, Oprah&#8230;). I just thought the topics were always interesting.<\/p>\n<p>I remember one Donahue episode in particular: his guest was Shelly Winters. Shelly Winters has put in some incredible film performances I admire hugely: in <i>A Place in the Sun<\/i>, <i>Executive Suite<\/i>, <i>The Night of the Hunter<\/i>, <i>The Diary of Anne Frank<\/i>, <i>Alfie<\/i>, <i>Lolita<\/i>, <i>Harper<\/i> and, of course, <i>The Poseidon Adventure<\/i>. She generates sympathy for characters that, in real life, annoy me. She forces you to see the humanity and pathos behind people you might dismiss as whiney and socially-awkward and completely not self-aware in the real world.<\/p>\n<p>So there I am, 12 or so, watching Shelly, and she&#8217;s holding court &#8211; truly, she&#8217;s the Queen and the audience are her subjects. And she&#8217;s doing what older actors and directors do: complain about movies today. She&#8217;s ranting on and on and she finishes one of her long-winded complaints with, &#8220;What people want is Shakespeare and instead, they get <i>Star Wars<\/i>.&#8221; And when she said <i>Star Wars<\/i>, she flicked her hand dismissively.<\/p>\n<p>I. Was. Pissed. That was it for Shelly Winters. If one of her movies came on, I turned it off. If she came on Johnny Carson, I walked out of the room. How DARE she dismiss a film that had taken all that I loved from Greek and Roman and Arthurian mythology and PUT IT IN SPACE?!? How DARE she dismiss a movie that had Princess Leia, a strong, sassy, smart character that was the LEADER of all the men in the movie? How DARE she dismiss a movie that had been my refuge from a dysfunctional family and a neighborhood full of bullies?<\/p>\n<p>Spoiler alert: I ended up forgiving Shelly Winters.<\/p>\n<p>First of all, it&#8217;s not like all of Shelly&#8217;s movies are high art &#8211; she was in a freakin&#8217; Chuck Norris movie, among others&#8230; I&#8217;m sure she conveniently forgot that, as most ar-teeeests do, during her rants against movies &#8220;today.&#8221; And secondly, she&#8217;s like so many people around me right now, running down what&#8217;s popular in movies or in music while romanticizing movies and music from their day as somehow all SO much better and glorious &#8211; a mythology they have created about movies and music when they were younger that I find incredibly amusing.<\/p>\n<p>Now, Martin Scorsese, he of the I&#8217;m-going-to-make-yet-ANOTHER-violent-movie-with-Al-Pacino-and\/or-Robert De Niro, and Francis Ford Coppola, he of haven&#8217;t-had-an-acclaimed-film-in-25-years fame, have said they don&#8217;t like the Marvel movies.<\/p>\n<p>So&#8230; I have to confess that I&#8217;m not a big fan of either of them, not as much as most other movie lovers. I find the hyper Western toxic masculinity of their movies &#8211; and their fans &#8211; terribly disturbing at times. And I think some of their films have NOT held up well over time and look really dated and unimaginative and utterly ego-driven now. Still, yes, they have been brilliant filmmakers and have fostered a lot of talent.<\/p>\n<p>Their comments immediately reminded me of Shelly Winters way back when. Part of me wants to dismiss them, even get mad at them: <i>how pathetic to see artists well past their prime lash out at what&#8217;s popular now. Next up: Get off my lawn!<\/i>&nbsp;I love the Marvel movies, I love how the filmmakers have brought out both the epic and the vulnerable and the short-comings in supposed &#8220;superheroes&#8221;&nbsp; and how they have both paid tribute to the original comic book stories and legends while also making movies that offer some startling parallels to our world right now. I love how complex the stories are and how online debates break out about the moral choices the characters make.<\/p>\n<p>But, honestly, mostly I&#8217;m just going to roll my eyes, stay off their lawn, and keep loving what I love. If you don&#8217;t get it, that&#8217;s fine &#8211; your loss. I think <i>Dirty Dancing<\/i> is one of the dumbest fucking movies ever made, but if it floats your boat, you just keep right on watchin&#8217; every time it&#8217;s shown on TV&#8230; over and over and over&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I watched way, way too much TV when I was growing up. And one of the shows I watched way too much of was Donahue. 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